Nir Eyal: Yeah. Growth you can always buy, you can just buy a bunch of ads on Google or Facebook or television commercials. Habit forming products utilize one or more of these variable reward types; What do users really want? It has to be built in. Etienne Garbugli: So, say in that direction, like how would you recommend an entrepreneur or a product team figures out what the right triggers should be for the product? You know, if you just spend a lot of money on advertising and people come to your product, but they’re not the right type of users, you might get them to sign up, but they weren’t really great to begin with. And of course, I’m very skeptical because if you can’t tell me how the customer currently solves the problem, it probably means it isn’t a problem. The appearance of scarcity affected their perception of value. That’s kind of the critical cutoff for a habit-forming product. You can watch the full interview below, or access it on iTunes or Spotify. Yeah, that’s what I was thinking about before when you were mentioning how the same level of clarity can be used in both different instances, so thanks for taking the time Nir, that’s all the questions I had for you today. And that book is more of a consumer-facing book, not so much a product design book. Negative emotions frequently serve as internal triggers. We call this a leaky-bucket business; businesses that have high growth, and low retention. Etienne Garbugli: Okay, great. Entrepreneur and investor Nir Eyal, ... 2000s and taught at the Stanford Graduate School of Business, distilled this ability into a methodology he calls the “hook model”. They’re using the product as much as we would expect a habituated user to use it. b. So, if you’re building a social network. What I tend to see, but again, there’s never been a state that says, Oh my gosh, you know, 5% is the number. Used to be, we were at 5%. These also convey implicit information about the next desired user action. Consequently, any technology or product that significantly reduces the steps to complete a task will enjoy high adoption rates by the people it assists. I go into way more detail on this subject in Lean B2B. Nir Eyal’s aim was to summarize the habit-forming techniques he taught at Stanford, into a methodology that was simple to … Geliştirmiş olduğu “hook” modeli ile kullanıcılarda alışkanlık yaratan ürünlerin mekanizmalarına açıklama getiriyor. If you want to build a product that is relevant to folks, you need to put yourself in their shoes and you need to write a story from their side. To increase the desired behavior, ensure a clear trigger is present; next, increase ability by making the action easier to do; finally, align with the right motivator. Nir’s work focuses on the intersection between psychology, technology, and business. If 5% or less of your, of your user base is not habituated and your business model requires them to be habituated for your product to succeed, then you probably need to go back to the drawing board in the early stages. You know, there’s been a lot of debate whether we want to look at MAU over DAU or, you know, there’s all kinds of metrics out there. A company can begin to determine its product’s habit-forming potential by plotting two factors — ‘Frequency’ — how often the behavior occurs and ‘Perceived Utility’ — how useful and rewarding the behavior is in the user’s mind over alternative solutions. And so that’s really what Hooked was about. Etienne Garbugli: So, my guest today is Nir Eyal, Nir is the bestselling author of Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products, and Indistractable: How to Control your Attention and Choose Your Life, which was published earlier this fall. They all have some kind of investment that you put into the product in a form of data, content, followers, reputation, something that improves the product with use. Defining Habits as “automatic behaviors triggered by situational cues”; things we do with little or no conscious thought. Listen to the same playlist. But you know, assuming that you’re actually fishing where your consumer, lives right, if you’re actually finding the right type of user, then, then, you know, anything above 5% is a good sign. And so, if the, you know, it’s a nice aspiration if you say, Oh, I wish people would use the product more. The Hook framework has four components: Trigger, Action, Variable Reward, and Investment: Trigger, Action, Variable reward and investment — the recipe to keep a user hooked. Etienne Garbugli: So, if you’re, you’re looking at the data and you see that it’s either 5 or less, does that tell you something more about whether the expectations are maybe wrong, or that the business just does not have product-market fit, for example? I mean, you wouldn’t say that out loud, but that’s the subtext of, of how you design the product, right? The model utilises consecutive hook cycles to drive engagement and encourage action, without the need for costly advertising or aggressive messaging. It looked like everything was going in the right direction, and they acquired all these customers, but then they leaked out, right? And then of course they, they churn out. How do you typically see the Hooked framework working out in complex B2B or enterprise settings? Those are the right candidates for the Hook Model. And so why does it need a new solution? Then that’s when you can take out the Hook Model and figure out what part of your user experience is broken. Instead of asking ‘what problem should I solve?’, ask ‘what problem do I wish someone else would solve for me?’ You can find business opportunities from the nascent behaviors among early adopters. But of course, if you look at every of those, everyone of those products I talked about earlier. Then once we have that North Star metric of what percentage of our user base is habituated, now we change the product and observe what happens per cohort. Product builders would benefit from a bit of introspection before attempting to hook users to make sure they are building healthy habits, not unhealthy addictions. You know, I looked for the commonalities and that’s where the Hook Model came from. Investments are about the anticipation of longer-tern rewards, not immediate gratification. Behavioral Design and Time Management by Nir Eyal | Nir & Far This audiobook introduces listeners to the "Hooked Model", a four-step process companies use to build customer habits. Trigger — A ‘trigger’ is the actuator of behavior; comes in two types — External and Internal, Action — The behavior done in anticipation of a reward. So, if you said, Hey, we have a product that’s going to satiate your boredom. So, you work with and invested in a variety of organizations. I would even take it a step deeper of, well, why do they even need that picture on the wall? Nir Eyal: Yeah. But for many businesses the ability to create a product or service so inviting users can’t help but interact with it daily, is actually closer than they realise. In Hooked, Eyal presents the 4-Step Hook Model, which he uses as a framework. What emotions influence their use and will trigger them to action. So, the Hook Model can be used in the very, very early days to help you design the experience itself, right? The Hook connects your solution to the user’s problem with enough frequency to form a habit. Yeah. Habit Testing offers insights and actionable data to inform the design of habit-forming products. (Investment). So, you know, many times I’ll talk to entrepreneurs, uh, and they’ll, there’ll be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and they’ll tell me, you know, ask them the question, how does the user currently solve this problem? So probably, you know, if there’s either, either your Hook Model is horrible, you know, in most cases, when I, when I work with companies. Again, if it’s, if it’s a product that’s very rarely used, you don’t need a Hook Model. The Hook Model is a framework designed by Nir Eyal, author of the book "Hooked" which consists of four elements: trigger, action, reward, and investment. Etienne Garbugli: And as you were doing your research, when you were writing Hooked, did you realize that some of these organizations were already using Hooked-like frameworks within their, their organizations? A practical guide to answering business questions, Sprint is for anyone with a big opportunity, problem, or idea who needs to get answers today. Nir Eyal: Well, the the, the internal trigger is the same, but the reward changes. Head in your car and go to work. (Internal trigger), What brings users to your service? Habit-forming products alleviate users’ pain by relieving a pronounced itch. But that, we haven’t seen that in a long, long time. ⚡⚡ Enjoyed this content? You just need to sell it once and then you can walk away. Most companies out there today don’t do that. The user must have sufficient Motivation. Psychologists refer to this as “reactance”. Through consecutive hook cycles, these products bring people back again and again without depending on costly advertising or aggressive messaging. Action– the individual must take the activity. Examples — Coca-Cola vending machine and Mint.com email provide good examples of explicit external triggers. Okay. Nir Eyal: Well, the gold standard, what they saw at Facebook was about 50%. So maybe a first question, so maybe at a meta level, why did you decide to explore or move forward the thinking around behavioral design specifically? I mean, that’s where I learned this stuff. You have to design that into your product. Yeah. I would argue in the case of Salesforce, Slack, Github, Stack Overflow, all of these things are enterprise products, and, and they all utilize the Hooked model. Nir Eyal‘s Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products is a critical work in the increasingly important field of psychological marketing, particularly as it applies to the customer experience. Designing habit-forming products is a form of manipulation. The first is in the very early ideation paper napkin sketch timeframe when the idea is just germinating and we haven’t committed any code, we haven’t even done any wireframes. Yet some of the most successful startups are hardly painkillers: Facebook, Pinterest, Twitter, Instagra But if the product is already out there, and maybe it’s even reached some level of a product-market fit, but you, but you find that the consumer engagement rates are too low and the percentage of habituated users isn’t where you want it to be. So, that’s how we start looking for these internal triggers. Check it out », This sampler covers the differences between B2B and Business-to-Customer (B2C) product-market validation, shows you how to define your vision for success, find early adopters, select market opportunities and assess a venture's risk. So, that’s not going to be a habit-forming product. And so that’s where it comes down to customer segmentation, right? They had amazing growth rates. Right? To build a habit-forming product, makers need to understand which user emotions may be tied to internal triggers and know how to leverage external triggers to drive the user to action. Once the series of tasks from intention to outcome is understood, simply start removing steps until you reach the simplest possible process. Variable rewards must satisfy users’ needs while leaving them wanting to re-engage with the product. You wake up. So, you define that number and then you want to ask yourself what percentage of your user base is using that product with that level of frequency. Source.. Etienne Garbugli: And congrats again on the new launch, and thanks for taking the time to chat today. This four-step framework that I talk about in my book is directly pulled from the examples of what we see is common to all of these very habit-forming products. Thank you so much. The easier an action, the more likely the user is to do it and to continue the cycle through the next phase of the Hook Model. We tweak the product based on the Hook Model, and then we observe what happens to the cohort of users who are presented with the new, the improved version of our product based on the changes we made. Etienne Garbugli: That’s really interesting. We have to be a bit more deliberate around how we design these products for habit and make sure we have all four elements. (External trigger), What is the simplest action users take in anticipation of reward, and how can you simplify your product to make this action easier? And then finally, and probably the most overlooked of the four steps of the Hook Model is are we asking for a user investment that improves the product with use? This isn’t always a bad thing. (Variable Reward), What “bit of work” do users invest in your product? And you don’t even think about it — you just do it. New interfaces lead to transformative behaviour change and business oppurtunities. There’s nothing like what we have for the market. So, you need to focus on, on selling it once and then you’re kind of done right until something terrible. When we back it up all the way back to the emotion. A habituated user is probably someone who checks in every day. According to video gaming and advertising expert Nir Eyal, we enjoy using certain products so much that they've become essential to our everyday lives. Brain cycles — The level of mental effort and focus required to take an action, 5. Etienne Garbugli: So, there needs to be a certain, a certain potential for usage frequency, but as well we mentioned before, it’s better if you’re beyond product-market fit. To learn more, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products, Indistractable: How to Control your Attention and Choose Your Life, [ Interview ] Serial Entrepreneur Dan Martell on Learning From Early Product Engagement, How to Run Customer Exit Surveys to Improve Product Retention [The Definitive Guide], [ Interview ] Lean UX Co-Author Jeff Gothelf on How Product Teams Should Do Product Discovery in 2020, Why The Lean Startup Techniques Don’t Work in B2B. A clear description of the users — their desires, emotions, the context with which they use the product-is paramount to building the right solution. Nir Eyal answers these questions (and many more) by explaining the Hook Model—a four-step process embedded into the products of many successful companies to subtly encourage customer behavior. We talked about product design, retention, growth, and how the Hook Model can help improve product engagement. And of course, every single time we do, we always find at least one, if not more, of those four steps of the Hook Model that’s deficient in some way. How do we actually make sure that our product has these four fundamental steps of the trigger, the action, the reward, and finally the investment? That becomes a central question. Nir Eyal: Sure. Habits form the basis of our behaviour. The endowed progress effect, a phenomenon that increases motivation as people believe they are nearing a goal. If you’re building, you know, a marketing automation software or something that maybe it’s a little less frequent. What pain is your product relieving? We improve the Hook Model in some ways. But many times, when I ask companies, you know, how is the person currently solving this problem? Connecting internal triggers with a product is the brass ring of consumer technology. Nir Eyal answers these questions (and many more) with the Hook Model - a four-step process that, when embedded into products, subtly encourages customer behaviour. Etienne Garbugli: Okay. Trigger comes in two types — ‘External’ and ‘Internal’, These are embedded with information, which tells the user what to do next. I mean, I’ve, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s. Etienne Garbugli: It’s really interesting having those, those threshold as well. Nir Eyal has constructed a framework for designing habit-forming products called "the hook model," which gives product designers a new way for thinking of the necessary components of creating user behavior. Oh, because they need to send messages from places, but whatever. You know, for one person that’s really not going to scratch their itch, but to another person that’s wonderful, that’s incredibly entertaining. Etienne Garbugli: So, how would recommend that a product team or an entrepreneur evaluates how habit-forming their product currently is? The stored value users put into the product increases the likelihood they will use it again in the future and comes in a variety of forms. The book’s content is based on the author’s years of research, consulting, and practical experience. We can start, uh, you know, uh, playing with the different parts of the Hook Model to make them better. Earned Triggers — For earned triggers to drive ongoing user acquisition, companies must keep their product in the limelight. You’re talking about 5% if you’re under that, it gives you a sense of where you should be focusing as opposed to when you’re beyond that. Teaches innovators how to build products to help people do the things they already want to do but, for lack of a solution, don’t do. Hook Model — A four-phase process companies use to form habits; through consecutive hook cycles, successful products reach their ultimate goal of unprompted user engagement, bringing users back repeatedly, without depending on costly advertising or aggressive messaging. So, there’s, there’s two places that my work tends to get used. If you’re building a enterprise software, same thing, right? Hmm. Fogg behavior Model posits that there are three ingredients required to initiate any and all behaviors (B=MAT); 2. Like in what circumstances is it most successful? Oh, my goodness. Etienne Garbugli: And do you have like an idea of like based on the engagement that you do, of which elements tend to be more problematic when you come in? Look with this cohort now we’re at 10% of our user base is habituated. Then the option set for how we can scratch that itch, how we can design for that discomfort opens up and we have much more flexibility and much more opportunity to fix the problem in a creative new way. Nir Eyal, Hooked kitabının yazarı. Where can people go to learn more about your work? And they think that’s a good thing. Nir Eyal answers these questions (and many more) by explaining the Hook Model—a four-step process embedded into the products of many successful companies to subtly encourage customer behavior. In the book “ Hooked – How to build habit-forming products ”, Nir Eyal, the author, introduces a concept called the “ Hook Model ”. We, you know, work on the external triggers, the internal triggers, the action phase, the variable reward phase, and the investment phase. And I, don’t mind if the solution is terrible. People must want to use the service, not feel they have to.Finite Variability — An experience that becomes predictable after use. Etienne Garbugli: That’s interesting. To change behavior, products must ensure the users feel in control. Storing Value -. Paid Triggers — Advertising, Search engine marketing and other paid channels are commonly used to get users’ attention and prompt them to act. And so, it becomes absolutely critical that we get people to use the product in order for them to keep paying us. That’s great. Companies can change behavior by guiding users through a series of experiences called ‘Hooks’, the more often users run through these hooks, the more likely they are to form habits. User habits increase a business’s return on investment; Higher Customer lifetime value, greater pricing flexibility, supercharged growth and a sharpened competitive edge together equal a more powerful bang for the company’s buck. We can use those same tactics for good. And many many companies don’t, you know, they forget about this investment phase. Now, that’s a very different business model than what used to be the case, right? Money — The fiscal cost of taking an action, 3. Habit Testing helps clarify who your devotees are, what parts (if any) of your product are habit forming, and why those aspects of your product are changing user behavior. Created by consumer psychology expert, Nir Eyal, the Hook Model teaches us how we can change behaviours in an ethical and useful way for people. Right? So, when I work with a company that is trying to build a product, and yet users aren’t sticking around, right? So, remember we talked about that, the percentage of users of habituated users? Etienne Garbugli: And gradually you do have a benchmark where you feel like this would represent a product that is really habit-forming? At its simplest form, the hook model describes how businesses can fundamentally change behaviour within their users, and create day-to-day habits around their products. And so, we can use it as a diagnostic tool. In this workshop, Nir Eyal will help you build habit-forming products and services that improve the lives of your consumers through subtle, healthy behavioral changes. Example, we have learned that Website links are for clicking and App icons are for tapping. Until we get to some kind of emotion that the user is looking to escape, not just the functional needs, but the deep-down emotional needs that they are trying to satiate. Another technique that came out of the Toyota production system is to ask ourselves the five why’s, which is we keep asking why five times until we get to a feeling. And of course, that almost never happens. The nontransferable value created and stored inside the habit forming products discourages users from leaving. The Hook Model was created by Nir Eyal, a successful tech entrepreneur, investor and Stanford Graduate School of Business professor. If the product does different things for different people, then absolutely. And then we’re tracking just one number. Let’s say you have some server-side software that, brings all kinds of bells and alarms when something terrible happens. It’s very, very rare that you’ll get a product that will be that habit-forming. This is just in my personal experience. Do You Have Product-Market Fit? So, what you want to do is to look for nascent behaviors. Nir Eyal answers these questions (and many more) with the Hook Model - a four-step process that, when embedded into products, subtly encourages customer behaviour. Seeking social acceptance while avoiding social rejection. The author describes the process of building a habit-driven strategy as the Hook Model… The Hook Model is a hook that consists of four steps. Nir Eyal answers these questions (and many more) by explaining the "Hook Model" -- a four steps process embedded into the products of many successful companies to subtly encourage customer behavior. The idea here is that we can use these same exact tactics to help people form good habits with our products and services. How Much Time Do You Need to Get to Product-Market Fit in B2B? So, it’s the same four steps, whether you’re looking at YouTube or Facebook or, Slack, uh, you know, all sorts of products and services that are designed this way, have these four basic elements of the Hook Model embedded in them. My favorite metric is to first define what a habituated user looks like, and that’s going to be contextually-specific to your product. I wake up in the morning… Of course, it’s easier said than done. So, for example, let’s say you have some, you know, a software that is only used if something terrible happens. Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products. Have we identified the wrong internal trigger? So, within a company’s lifecycle, let’s say from company formation to growth, and maturity, when do you think is the right time to start really thinking about habit-forming designs and functionalities? Rewards must fit into the narrative of ‘why’ the product is used and align with the user’s internal triggers and motivations. These steps are like reinforcement loops, if done continuously then it would create associations between the product with the user’s emotions, thoughts, or pre-existing habits. Nir Eyal: You don’t have to necessarily, I mean, if you use it in the very early days, you’re just using it differently. And so, the, the best type of products are the ones that are used with sufficient frequency to form a habit. I haven’t seen any studies that show 5% is the magic number. Follow @NirEyal. And it’s a huge, huge missed opportunity. Types of External triggers -. It’s probably something that needs to be used every day. Thank you. Nir Eyal: So, that’s where the Hook Model can be a very good diagnostic tool that if you find that consumers are not sticking around, that they’re not being retained in the way that you’d hoped. The Dip, by Seth Godin, is a quick and easy little ready that teaches you when to quit on ideas, and when to stick with them. Well now you can use the Hook Model as a diagnostic tool to figure out what’s wrong with your user experience to hopefully improve it. While paid, earned and relationship triggers drive new user acquisition, owned triggers prompt repeat engagement until a habit is formed. Nir Eyal, author of the best-selling book Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products on how and why some products and services are incredibly sticky. Through consecutive "hook cycles," these products bring people back again and again without depending on costly advertising or aggressive messaging. Or typically it’s the investment phase is, is, you know, you can get problems in any of the four steps. 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